Monday, September 25, 2006

Thathuvam: Rule & Exception

Rule: It is extremely important to do well, academically, early on in life. Pedigree and brand name of undergraduate institution is more important than you think it is. Grades are more important than you think it is. The teachers, parents et all were right about the life-long effect of these things. The world rewards late bloomers much lesser than early bloomers. The world measures preparedness, sharpness and intellegence through pedigree, grades, and test scores. Anybody who thinks otherwise is stupid. Anybody who thinks things shouldnt be this way is a loser.

39 comments:

depression is killing me said...

yes ur absolutely right.

first i could not attend campus interviews due to my arrears in college. and due to just one arrear after completing my 4 yrs of engineering course i am stuck at home doing nothing , waiting , to do my novemember exams.

my parents are rich , so there was
initially very less motivation for me to study during the intial yrs of college. by the time i came to the fourth yr i had 10 papers , i cleared 9 papers in the 8 sem . and to my misfortune i flunked in 1 paper. just one fucked up paper.




i feel like a loser in life. any advice.

Nilu said...

losers are good people, you know.

Hawkeye said...

DIKM,

u have no idea what ur handle means to me...ada paavi

nilu,

damn right. they r sweet nice folks who need pity. "pity is way underrated. you know"

Sowmya said...

exception?? idhukkum motherhood kkum what connection? or u meant 'mother type' statements?

depression is killing me. said...

i meant that by not concentrating on my grades i am suffering now.-dikm

by the way hawkeye what did u mean by

"u have no idea what ur handle means to me "

plz explain by u meant by handle.

Hawkeye said...

somya,

'motherhood' statements is a slang for saying something that overarches many speheres of life and could be applicable to anything. its a vague, unspecific, nop statement like "be good. do good. happinees is important" etc.

it means cliche

Hawkeye said...

handle = 'assumed name' = DIKM

depression is killing me said...

yes i am really serious, i am not assuming this name.

depression is really killing me. now i am sitting at home thinking how i wasted my college life having a good time. infact i studied in the second best college in chennai - svce sriperumbudur in btech info tech branch . not concentrating on my grades , and in the fourth yr , i wanted to do ms in the states. i never even knew that ug grades without arrears are very important are applying to ms. how naive and stupid i was .

while all my friends have started working and have got two months months of salary , here i am sulking and depressed which is killing me everyday .


hawkeye if at all i come there to do my ms in cs will i be able to cope up there (i am a bit weak in fundamentals) ?

Hawkeye said...

DIKM,

send me email.

dikm said...

veegeeksk@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

what ur mail id ?

Anonymous said...

yaa i got it from ur profile

stupid said...

The world measures preparedness, sharpness and intellegence through grades and test scores. Anybody who thinks otherwise is stupid
You couldn't be more right.
I'm going to cry now. :(

I said...

Being a loser ain't all that bad.

Arvind said...

IMHO, Academic success is not everything. Granted, it works for the majority of people, however plenty of folks have successful careers without having been academically successful. (Ever had a manager who hadn't passed high school? I have.)

Besides, academics and work do not define success in life, but rather provide means for you to achieve success in your life. I think that in Madras (won't generalise, I haven't lived elsewhere in India) there is too much pressure placed on individuals to be ahead of the pack at school and work.

rads said...

It helps to get the pace going from early on. Of course there will always be exceptions on either side.

stupid and loser are so subjective, not to mention personal.

D.N.A. said...

Nobody said it's a level playing field. Some people enjoy that inequality when the odds are against them.

raghuveeran said...

you are touching my inner soul...
ahh...pularikidhu...
but the fact what you said is true...

Sudipta Chatterjee said...

What exactly triggered this set of statements?

Nothing is ever lost, sire... better late than never!

cerisecarnations said...

then again this statement is relative ..yes undergard degree matters especially if its from a pedigree school.and if its one of good schools from the US even better.However there are always people who will do better and people who do better than the best.

Anonymous said...

you never said this when i was in svce ;)


vatsan

Hawkeye said...

stupid ( not swearing at you),

correct!

I,

in fact it is a good thing

AG,

people judge others based on their own past experiences. a person like your ex-boss will be open to people like him. A person with pedigree will be similar and expect a pedigree

Hawkeye said...

rads,

hmm.. agree. on the same lines the word "world" is subjective and personal also.

dna,

agreed. that keeps a lot of people going. besides the pressure is less that way.

raghuveeran,

thanks.

sudipta,

totally wth you on it. trigger: rant/realization

Hawkeye said...

cerise,

agreed.

vatsa,

neriya thaba sonnen

dikm said...

hawkeye did u receive my mail ?

Suresh Ramani said...

If I were to take this post seriously, this would be my comment:

Sure, the World will give more weightage to brand name, pedigree .. than anything else .. but that's because that is the most effective way out for the World to judge you ..

if you don't have the brand name to back you up, then the burden will be on you to convince the World what you are capable of and most often than not, the World will listen ..

ultimately, its not the situation (past until present) that dictates the outcome, but it is how you deal with the situation that dictates the outcome ..

Deepa said...

yup, I am a loser, don't agree.

Rajni said...

Name of the college...good grades etc are definitely imp to get a good job....they help you make an entry in the corporate world easily.

But once you start working, you are on the same level as the rest of your colleagues. You so called "not-from-good-college" colleagues can easily outdo you.
Success at work definitely needs much more than good grades from a good college.

Anonymous said...

Though I do have brand name and grades and pedigree, I find it hard to agree with your generalizations. Yes, those things would give you a good foothold, but nothing more. I have colleagues in my software engineering firms who never attended college and are top programmers. Other examples would be Larry Ellison and Bill Gates.
If you want to succeed, the sky is the limit and I think a bit of pedigree and brand name is not the only criteria.
-anon

Anonymous said...

What u say is absolutely true ! i feel sick when people give stupid comparisons like Bill gates and Larry Ellison !!! It much easier to get good grades than get a one in 10000000000000 billion chance of being one of those guys !

Hawkeye said...

the reason why i mentioned the 'rule' in the post titled 'rule and exception' was because the exceptions would get listed in the comments :-)

so fair enough.

however, i still think... no ..i *know* that that is the rule.

Anonymous said...

Loved what the last anon had to say.... much easier to get good grades than end up as a Larry or a Billy

Anonymous said...

McKinsey: Not from IIT?!
No Soup For You! Next!
...
McKinsey: From IIT? Good.
No President's Gold Medal?!
No Soup For You! Next!

TerryWLee

dikm said...

did u receive my mail hawkeye ?

Hawkeye said...

/* ultimately, its not the situation (past until present) that dictates the outcome, but it is how you deal with the situation that dictates the outcome .. */

thalaivaaaa!. see that is the reason why you should comment. completely agree. you will also agree that knowing this is what causes the agony. u cant let it go as sunk cost - and you stay on and fight...

Hawkeye said...

TWLee,

:-)

Anonymous said...

Baahar?! Is it you?
Sorry, hawkeye...
vatsan commented as anon

TWL

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Anonymous said...

Brand is everything in today's world - But unlike other eras, we are talking about being CEOs of "Me Inc" today - selling me to the person sitting next to me, opposite to me, below me and above me: that i think Bharath is the sole difference. Might be a questionable moral, but an undeniable fact.

- Nethra