Tuesday, February 17, 2009

T.E Srinivasan

Came across an interesting passage in Michael Atherton's autobiography - Opening Up - on the first league cricket team he played for - Wodehouses;

T.E Srinivasan, a swashbuckling batsman from Madras, also played for us. He was everything that Wettimuny was not - wild, aggressive, and totaly unorthodox. He was a stalwart for Tamil Nadu, in India, for many years and went on to play one test and two one-day internationals for his country. Many years later I asked Sunil Gavaskar about him and he told me he would have played much more had it not been for his low-caste status.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Atherton... Man i think u have a lot of time... He is one of the boring players to watch.. i guess his writing falls under the same category

-Ganesh

Anonymous said...

Sollittaru da Ganesh. Appo correcta dhaan irukkum. Poda Poda poi velaya paaru da.

-P

Anonymous said...

Dei Peeeeeeeeeee,

do i need to say more..

-G

Hawkeye said...

ganesh,

sigh...

Alan Smithee said...

Gavaskar is quite capable of that.

Anonymous said...

I think Athers is one of ur fav cricketers.. sorry if i have bursted the bubble..

hmmmmm... padi padi.. i'm waiting for ur review.. ;-)

-G

Angel's Flight said...

This cant be serious! ...sad if it is!

I said...

This sunni gavaskar is like bodha bodha bhogle. Says edhavadhu prrrrrr like moothiram on a pana mattai.

Anonymous said...

hey hawkeye..when are you writing "Naan Kadavul's" review?

Anonymous said...

Is he an Iyengar?

Susa said...
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Susa said...

I know thats not the point here, but Srinivasan doesnt sound like a low caste name... Maybe Gavaskar was just screwing around with Atherton :)

venkiraja said...

Hawkeye, konjam comment moderation pannunga saar!

Atherton- sigh.
Gavaskar- double sigh.

Arksantos said...

Gavaskar should have said "He would have played more if he had played for Bombay".
Just think about Badri.

Anonymous said...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/02/18/1234632882538.html

maxdavinci said...

Such ignorance is sad indeed, esp coming from gavaskar.

NOt that he isn't new to making howlers, but I thouth he has some respect for the south esp since he named his son after Jaisimha and Vishwanath...

ennavo...

The Talkative Man said...

THe same TE Srinivasan who landed in Australia and said "Tell Dennis TE is here" ??

TE had an almighty ranji avg of around 34 and his mouth was as flashy as his bat. In every way, he was Cheeka's anna.

The story is told of TE sledging Rodney Hogg in a tour match in 79-80 in India. Hogg came out to bowl and sent 5 rockets in an over past TE's head. Umpire Gothoskar pulled TE aside and told him to watch his mouth with international bowlers if he "wanted to live another day" or some such.

Hawkeye said...

ttm,

most, if not all, players from TN are perceived as (and for better part are) needlessly aggressive and arrogant. More importantly they are media "ottai vai". The former is a good thing but latter is too much naiveity. I am surprised Kris Sreeka hasn't said anything so far to the press as the Chariman of selectors that will get him into trouble (and force him to resign).

I don't know if the system breeds it or if there are just too many iyengars in the system. regardless they need intensive courses on "talking to press" and other such PR stuff.

Hawkeye said...

alan,

:-)

ganesh,

atherton, though is underrated, is not my favorite player. I like his columns and commentary.

angel's flight,

I am hoping someone would tell me T.E. Srinivasan's caste :-)

I,

:-) musn't comment when high.

anon,

when i see it. not a fan of bala.

anon,

i dont know his caste.

susa,

srinivasan could be from any caste. my suspicion is TES couldnt speak hindi and so was tagged with some arbitrary "defeciency".

venkiraja,

i generally haven't moderated but do delete some comments if they are annoying. i don't comment where things are moderated so apply same rule. all is subject to change though.

arksantos,

badri :-) shouldnt he be filed under GR Viswanath's account books.

maxdavinci,

who knows!! gavaskar maybe correct.

Anonymous said...

T.E. Srinivasan is Tirumalai Echambadi Srinivasan...a tamil brahmin Iyenger ...not that low caste really. He did not get to play because of all the amazing cricket politics. He has blown Imran , Lara and a bunch of cricketers over the top in rest of India matches....so his mouth and his bat were one. He has held chepauk stadium captive with a live crowd numerous times. Currently he is a cancer patient undergoing treatment for the last three years... a constant fighter on and off field. Please be respectful about your comments

Hawkeye said...

anon,

who wasn't respectful towards TES ?

thanks for the info btw.

Anonymous said...

/*He has blown Imran , Lara and a bunch of cricketers over the top in rest of India matches...*/

anon, what is that you are smoking mate? Lara??? what did u mean by this?

-G

Hawkeye said...

GB,

i was waiting for you to show up after i saw 'lara'

Anonymous said...

B,

Serios man... i want to hear what this anon's explaination is to the word Lara..Imran Khan i can understand... lara.. lol

-G

ttm said...

I guess this is the match Anon was talking about:
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1970S/1979-80/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_SOUTH_25-27JAN1980.html

TES was well acknowledged as a dasher good against pace. However, like most TN players of his time, was content to pass the 'paper score' of 25(which gurantees mention in Hindu) and throw the wicket 10 runs later. Not known to grind the opposition to dust with big 100s.

Anyway, sad to hear about his battle against cancer and hope TES will pull through.

Hawkeye, the other thing is the constant hype of average/semi-average TN players by our kumudam type media. Interestingly Cheeka who is known as the Destroyer Supreme in all of TN has a ODI strike rate of 71.

Guess who else shares that strike rate??

Rahul Dravid!

However we never fail to call one as an explosive entertainer and the other a confirmed Dokku Master!

Hawkeye said...

ttm,

but you have to compare it with the then strike prevalant at that time.

when gavaskar was @ the other end sreeka was like a rocket. although i was a sunny fan and didnt think sreeka had any sort of staying power - i couldnt help feeling the adrenalin when cheeka batted.

and later - cheeka was at the other end when sachin had that abdul quadir over. cheeka looked slower than sunny then.

later sachin looked slow when you have sehwag at the other end. maybe yousuf pathan has a better strike rate than sachin. who knows.

its what they do differently compared to their peers that counts.

Anonymous said...

Hawk and ttm

ok then when did he blow Lara... i would fall dead... if anon says it was a typo... lol

ttm is absolutely right what he said about TN players... cheeka was a loud mouth and averages what 29 in tests...

-G

ttm said...

maybe he meant the raw 20 yr old Marshall?

http://www.cricinfo.com/database/ARCHIVE/1970S/1978-79/WI_IN_IND/WI_SOUTH_09-11DEC1978.html

Smadraji said...

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Gay

Smadraji said...

nice blog
Gay

raj said...

Veteran Domestic Bowler Ramnarayan, chittappa of IPL star Vidyut wrote about TE recently. Link kidaicha podaren.
He busted the myhts about TE's teaching Gavaskar technique and his "Tell Dennis TE is here" comment(allegedly).

About TN players, their chief impediment is they cant speak Hindi. Cheeka had a succesful career because he positioned himself as the joker who speaks mangled Hindi(and therefore qualifies as a clown). Therefore, the likes of Kapil and Sunny looked at him as an entertaining clown and his position in the dressing room was tolerable. Not the case with tamil-vonly guys.
Badri tried his best - he even married a marathi mulgi but Vengayasarkar's heart wont melt. Now with Cheeka at the helm, he is still unwanted in the dressing room. Intersting that Dhoni clearly expressed preference for Parthiv over Dinesh Karthik. I think Dhoni wants a all-indhi team where he doesnt have to mess about with tamizh smarthas and thenkalais. Good for him.
I also read a recent report about Balaji joining the team in Sri Lanka after Munaf came back unfit. Story goes that Murali and Balaji and PraveenKumar(ivaru indiavukku velayaduraar. he is from meerut, heartland of cowbelt) were having breakfast together and Praveen's first question was "Yeh Hindi bolta hai kya" to which Balaji replied "Theek Thaak bol leta hoon Yaar".

Can you guys see why tamil guys wont fit in the dressing room - even 2 series wonders and juniors like Praveen Kumar consider it their birthright to expect a fellow Indian in the team to converse in hindi.

Hawkeye said...

raj,

i 100% agree with you.

Hindi is the reason. the question is does "low caste refer to non-hindi"

Anonymous said...

hawkeye, all empirical evidence points to that. The Praveen Kumar episode I quoted is a clincher. This shows above everything else, what is the deal-clincher for anyone to be in the Indian team. Ergo, this is the new caste equation in India.

Alan Smithee said...

Does Dhoni have saffron colored silk clothes with gold frills hanging from his motorcycle handle bar? Hindi morons are insufferable.

revathi said...

Caste is a favorite word with europeans when talking about india. May be Gavaskar was just joking and the other guy took it seriously. By the way, the french newspaper Le Monde described president narayanan as untouchable and one european review of slumdog said that the children suffered a lot because of their caste!

KM said...

This hindi thing might be partially right, but -

I think Dhoni wants a all-indhi team where he doesnt have to mess about with tamizh smarthas and thenkalais. Good for him.

???!!!!

I think that's unfair to Dhoni. About smarthas and thenkalais.... which IPL team does Dhoni captain again?

Regionalism is of course a reality in Indian cricket. But sometimes tams get a bit carried away with ascribing everything to it. First Badri being ignored was DV's fault. Now there will be more inventive excuses dreamed up for Cheeka. This not to say Badri isn't unfortunate....I'd want him in the team. But hawkeye, you should write about this excessive and disproportionate victim mentality that Tams have about selection.

Simple question - when was the last time TN won the Ranji trophy? And which team beat them in 2 times that they reached the finals this decade?

Hawkeye said...

/* But hawkeye, you should write about this excessive and disproportionate victim mentality that Tams have about selection. */

tams have several faults and for good part, are morons.

however...

/* Simple question - when was the last time TN won the Ranji trophy? And which team beat them in 2 times that they reached the finals this decade? */

This is something i've thought of several times. I've argued with a player on this several times and asked him why is he so bummed at not being given a fairshot when his team hasn't won anything.

The answer lies in Punjab, Calcutta, UP, Delhi & karnataka. Do you think the # of test players from these states are proportional to the ranji trophy successes of the respective states?

Regardless of Railways feats -> Mumbai is the best team in India - I agree. But is the same yardstick being applied consistently.

There were 2 TN players in mid-90s who could have had strong India careers. They were ruthlessly thrwn out during GRV days (the year when KA won the ranji trophy). And karnataka won the ranji - how many times after that?

sundar said...

Here's the link raj is referring to.

http://ramscricket.blogspot.com/2008/11/lawrence-of-madras.html

Regional bias is a part and parcel of cricket in India. At any level.

Suresh A Pai said...

Those who saw TEs batting become addicted. I was watching YSCA trophy which was popular in T nagar in chennai. To crowd's popular demand TE was hitting sixers playing for India Pistons. One sixer landed inside the bus in route 12 passing thr. GN Chetty ROAD. It was an amazing display of batting skill TE showed.

Suresh A Pai

Anonymous said...

HERE ARE SOME PERFORMANCE OF T E.
IN 1978,BEFORE THE TEAM FOR PAKISTHAN TOUR WAS SELECTED,DULIP TROPHY FINAL WAS PLAYED. FOR NORTH ZONE YASHPAL SHARMA SCORED 150 NOT OUT. IN REPLY T E SCORED CHANCELESS 118 NOT OUT FOR SOUTH ZONE AGAINST BOWLERS LIKE KAPIL,BEDI AND MOHINDER AMARNTH. UNFORTUNATELY HE RAN OUT OF HIS PARTNERS AND LAST 6 SOUTH ZONE WICKETS FELL WIHIN 10 RUNS. YASHPAL SHARMA AND KAPIL DEV WERE SELECTED FOR THE TOUR AND TE WAS LEFT OUT. EVEN HIS WORST CRITIC
WOULD AGREE THAT HE IS A STYLISH BATSMEN WHO CAN PLAY SPIN AND PACE WITH EASE. HE CONTINUED TO SCORE CENTURIES IN DOMESTIC CRICKET AGAINST GOOD TEAMS. IN A MATCH AGAINST TOURING PAKISTHAN HE SCORED A CENTURY AND HIS FIRST SCORING STROKE WAS A SIX OFF IMRAN KHAN(facing him for the first time). HE SCORED 75 FOR SOUTH ZONE AGAINST TOURING WEST INDIES SPEARHEADED BY MALCOM MARSHAL. ON THE BASIS OF HIS EXCELLENT CENTURY AGAINST WEST ZONE DEODAR TROPHY FINALS HE WAS SELECTED FOR AUSTRALIAN TOUR AT THE AGE OF 33. HE WAS NOT SELECTED FOR A SINGLE TEST OR ONE DAY INTERNATIONAL IN AUSTRALIA. EVEN WHEN ONE OF THE PLAYERS WAS INJURED, RAVI SHASTRI WHO WAS NOT AT ALL THE ORIGINAL TEAM WAS SUMMONED TO PLAY
AGAINST NEW ZEALAND. AT LAST, AGAINST NEWZEALAND TE WAS SELECTED FOR THE FINAL TEST (UNDER WORST PLAYING CONDITIONS WITH TEMPERATURE NEARLY ZERO) AND SCORED 28 IN A LOW SCORING MATCH WHILE GAVASKAR AND TOP ORDER BATSMEN FELL CHEAPLY. AFTER THAT HE WAS NOT GIVEN A SINGLE CHANCE TO PLAY FOR INDIA. HE HAS PLAYED TOP CLASS SPINNERS LIKE PRASANNA, BEDI,CHANDRASEKAR AND VENKATRAGHAVAN WITH CONSUMMATE EASE HITTING THEM ALL ROUND THE WICKET. IT IS REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT HE WAS NOT SELECTED FOR INDIA AFTER THAT. WHILE MANY PLAYERS PLAYED FOR INDIA EVEN AFTER CONTINUED BAD PERFORMANCE,T E WAS OMITTED AFTER THAT MATCH.

Prabu said...

Anonymous - TE scored 5 centuries in all of first class. I remember back in 1985 there was also a lot of discussion about how TN batsman R Madhavan missed out against Azhar a chance to play for India when both scored centuries for India under 25 against England. If you go and look at the stats for Madhavan and Azhar at that point in time, there is no way Madhavan would have been selected. Except for some of the latest TN batsmen, such as Sriram, Badani, Ramesh and Badri, the previous generation of TN players have nothing to complaint against. Maybe WV Raman could have some complaints but there is no one else who can really complain.

I do think however the reason why TN players get left out is because of the inability to speak Hindi. Someone like Ramesh could have been easily misconstrued as being aloof for such a reason.

Srikanth² said...

Just Posting this comments after TE's passing away. He will always be fondly remember for his batting style especially by the ones from Triplicane, Mylapore and Mambalam ( just kidding). Thinking Back ...For some time there was no serious talent from TN representing India, the selection of TE to the AUS-NZ 1980 tour was seen as a big break for TN cricket. TE had no big part to play in that series and secret mumblings in Chepauk were that TE advised some senior players ( read SG) on how to play cricket and that was the end of a career. To be fair to TE's non selection, TE had a poor tour. He had a highest score of 90 and was very inconsistent and in the only test match he played he made 29 and 19 (Very low scoring match).
At the domestic level and in some matches with touring teams, he made many players sit up with his aggressive play. TN will certainly miss TE.