Monday, June 21, 2010

Raavan

1. The reason why Mani & Kamalagasan fail in Bollywood is because they go there and they shamelessly promote some tamil aspect in their hindhi movies. They ought to learn some professionalism from that Malayalatthan Priyadarshan. When in Bollywood make a Bollywood film with bollywood actors. Why not cast some upcoming young bollywood dude who can speak Hindi as Dev? Vikram's role as Dev is so poor (and Prithvi Raj's so awesome) that this casting error alone nukes the movie single-handedly. On top of all the confusion this movie throws at you, Vikram is playing a Dev Singh with abysmal hindhi and horse-riding type 'hai' 'hai'. Very irritating. I am certain Bollywood audience must be going 'whaaa'.

2. This movie could have been in normal hindhi as opposed to 'hamri' and 'tumri' stuff. I can understand indhi but not this bhojpuri stuff. I am not sure what real indhi people thought of the dialogs. I am unable to say if its authentic or nonsense or even real sentences. Mani probably has no clue either and so margin or error becomes big.

3. Movie should have been longer and made obvious many things. For example Beera's men sabotage Dev's vehicles. Next scene: Arbit village people want to enter a camp full of police. What camp is this? Where is this relative to Dev? Was Dev coming from here or going to this camp? Did they set up this camp because the vehicles got sabotaged? At moment they start this scene nothing is evident. In Raavan, you learn at the very end of the scene that Dev was trying to get to this camp and was stopped midway. Too late. In Raavanan this is not even explained that clearly. Similarly the beginning Kidnap scene and arbit bomb blasts. Before one gets into the movie , one is already left wondering at the abrupt poorly explained scenes.

4. Screenplay tactic of 'Let me first make you wonder why this is happening and then I will unravel it for you later'needs to be controlled and restricted to 1 or 2 elements. Pretty much everything in the movie is thrown over the wall first and then explained later. Non-linear narration has its limits and this movie crosses all of them.

5. I agree with Amithabh. Abhishek's role comes as weak, severely edited and a little bit wannabe.

6. Manirathnam seems to have overtightened the movie to the point of making it look disconnected and abrupt. Better off making linear movies.

7. The good aspects to Raavan and Raavan seem to be mutually exclusive. Whats good in Raavan has been left out in Raavanan and viceversa.

8. Overall I thought Tamil was marginally better. But that's because I am a thamizhan. Both Abhishek and Vikram were so-so in essaying Raavan(an).

23 comments:

bachodi said...

Very good points. Totally agree on first one.

Anonymous said...

If someone touches your weak spot (Hinduism, Iyengarism, rasam) you get all riled up and keep jumping up and down. You give sermons about how everyone else should shut up and leave stuff to subject matter experts. Sanskrit scholar ille na sanskrit la oru vaarthai kuda pesa kudathu, avan yaar religion pathi pesa, economics pathi nee yen pesara, ithellam kekkareenga.
Mani and Kamalagasan vida ungalukku enna hair theriyum? Rasikana pesarathu paravailla but neenga enna periya critic pulithiya? Mothala unga backside, apparam mathavangala pathi pesalam

Praveen said...

Ravikissen stole the show I say!

Anonymous said...

Oru Kozhapathaye pakka mudiyala.. Nee Renda vera patthurukka.. enna solradhu? No wonder you are upset

Anonymous said...

2nd anon must be krishasok or his groupie. romba vayatherichalla kattraaru pavom.

but super comments. vikram sucked in indhi

Anonymous said...

i wonder what Manirathanam or other actors thought about this movie when it was watched in full before release to public...obviously, someone would have thought like a common man and discussed the flowed end product...

Anonymous said...

A note on the hindi dialogues: They were not consistent or accurate or representative of the 'area' the people were supposed to be. Tome it was an expected 'feature' of his movie. Plus not every villager in the whole northern belt of this country speaks the dialect used in this movie.

Sarang-

Abhi said...

Rendu padamum pathachu.Mani Sir ku ithuku mela kaasu kudika en kita kaasu illa.Aditha padam ozhunga oru language la,nalla actors oda,suhasini help illama editha pothum.

blackaccord said...

add SPB and IR to that list. No matter what they do, their songs sound like tamil songs to the hindi crowd..

Sreekrishnan said...

the Comment made by Abhi made my day- I think it was like that NETTHIADI.

Kokki Kumarru said...

@Mellu
Mr malayalathan priyadarshan made a movie called bum bum bole which was bit by bit ripped off from Children from heaven which obviously you must be knowing. And Mr darshan padatha release panrathuku minadi Assam la etho kusu katha nu solli promote panratha vida periya potta thanon vera ethum illa. And worse he said it was based on true life characters in assam. Rendu chinki minkikla kutnu vanthu coorg la vachi padam edukrathu sappa matteru if u have the cut copy paste story ready to be implemented.

@abishek bachan machan
Honestly i dont think he is an actor of great caliber. amitab recommendationla unoru padathliya mani has given him an extra chance. Enna editing ozhunga pannalum onnum vara porathalu.

Sreekrishnan said...

http://www.thevigilidiot.com/2010/06/22/raavan/

This is awesome !

Swamy Srinivasan aka Kittu Mama said...

The movie was literally so confusing that the audience felt like behaving like guna, asking questions walking around the room LOL

What happened to Mani? I really want my money back or Mani back. Enough of making a movie bilingual. The casting was just untolerable. But I too feel the Tamil version, Raavanan was way too better and superior than Raavan. Thanks to vikram and the overall tamil artists, who did a decent job. The spoiler in Hindi is Abhishek, without a doubt. Why was Vikram cast in the Hindi? Did he kneel down to Mani and pestered him to cast in Hindi or what? Prithvi in Tamil was dashing and super handsome. Infact, without mush, he was already looking bollywoodish but Mani thoroughly wasted his looks and went for Vikram as Dev in Hindi. Totally unacceptable. Never have i seen Vikram so very still and dumb. Sorry to say, Vikram did not impress me in Hindi but of course, Vikram as Raavanan was Vikram at his best. So Casting, Casting, Casting screwed the character Raavan & Raman in Hindi :).

Mani, for gods sake, please stop casting the bachan family. Why are you so obsessed with them? Why are you time and again going behind that plastic face Aishwarya Rai? She looks more of a nenanja kozi these days. Having lived my life in chennai, I've to admit that I like heroines with a little bit flesh atleast but ASH to me looks like a chicken guniyaa affected beauty. Please get back to Tamil soon and give some promising movies that we can all can cherish & remember. If not tamil, atleast please stick to making movies only in one language. Enough of terror plot and enough of real life derivations. Just take a casual subject with not so much technicalities in it. Pls revisit Mouna Raagam. Get inspired by your own classic & prove to the world again, what you are capable of. Above all, please don't ask Suhasini to write dialogues. "Azugaya Muzungu" - haha enna dialogue idhu?

I think Raavanan clicks. Raavan sucks.

Swamy Srinivasan aka Kittu Mama said...

BTW, I too felt Amithabh trying to save Abhiskek's acting & blaming it on editing was very NUMB.

"Kaakkaikku than Kunju Pon Kunju" dhaan. But adhukkaaga, Nanju Pona Acting'a evlo dhaan kaapaathinaalum, oor vaaya mooda mudiyumaa enna? Ippa azudhu enna projanam Amithabh. So please, "azugaya muzungittu" (sorry, suhasini influence vandu pochu) send your son to an acting school. All Abhishek was doing in this movie was shake his head and his body language & walking looked like he was merely performing a grown up Anjali in the movie.

I think there is one good thing about bilingual in this movie. It can be the best reference movie for aspiring students who want to taking acting as their career. I'm sure the film schools will buy rights to showcase this movie in their curicullum and title the course as "How to Act and How NOT to Act".

Anonymous said...

Swamy,

That was funny - "Anjali"

Swamy Srinivasan aka Kittu Mama said...

Thamizla use panna adhae kathiri dhaan Hindi layum use pannirukkaar editor sreekar. Appuram enna editing sariyilla, vendekkaay sariyillanu. Chinna pulla thanamaa illa irukku. Keeza vizundhaalum meesaila mannu ottalannu dhaane solraar namba Amithabh Bachan. Sari edukkuda keeza vizundha mann ottanumnu namba kowndar(mani) maadhiri kaettup pudadheenga...aaamaam. sollittaen :).

Varta...Innum ethana paer "Raavan" paathu Azugaya muzunga poraangannu therila LOL...

blackaccord said...

'Pasangu panren'... 'Uthravadham tharen'.. looks like suhasini had Konaar seyyul notes and picked up the words..

Swamy Srinivasan aka Kittu Mama said...

@blackaccord
//Konaar Seyyul Notes// - LOL :)

She already burnt her finger big time by directing "Indhra". Now indirectly she tried her best to screw Raavanan but hats off to Vikram, I think he was able to justify and create an impact, on top of all that Iyengar/Thirunelveli dialogues.

In the scene where Ash was shown delivering those dialogues, if you keenly notice, she was standing(with her lowerend of the saree tucked inside her hip) like a bathroom cleaner. Such a weird shot I should say. But above all, I still give ASH her due credit for being able to give a decent performance, specially after a lot of physical strain, doing both versions. Makes me think that she would have laughed out loud watching Abhishek performing those hillarious pyschic mannerisms. shabbbah mudiyala ennaala.

Kokki Kumarru said...

http://www.hindu.com/cp/2010/06/25/stories/2010062550030200.htm

Enna koduma sir ithuu.. Kamath enga poi tholanjaru

blackaccord said...

I remember malathi rangarajan giving a positive review for Ajith's Citizen..:)

btw, what did munna really do in the scene with dev? suhasini's dialogues thought-provoking ??

Kokki Kumarru said...

The sec i hear the name munna i could only recall vivek's timing joke in boys
Munna : Sir, en peru munna
Vivek : ENNA, irunthutu po!!

ms said...

after seeing raavan (indhi), i have to remind myself that mani saar also gave us yuva, dil se, roja. and after seeing abhishake(hisheadlikeamaniac)bachhan, i also remind myself that he was also in yuva as a passably ok actor. so, what happened? aish was so miscast. what about trisha or even asin (if we could get her to the pre-bollywood-i-have-to starve-myself-and put-on-tonnes-of-makeup days) they could have done a better job in their sleep.

Raghu said...

Hey Hawk - was catching up on yr recent blog posts...espec the crappy 'Raavan(an)'...and my neigh quipped in with a joke he had heard from someone else recently - so he goes 'Raghu - who killed Raavan?" and I went "Rama"...and he went "wrong answer, it is Abhishek Bachhan"...and the laptop almost fell out of my lap !! I think that pretty much sums up my comments....and I didn't even waste time/$$$ watching both the craps after reading yr FB status :) !!